# Minutes from meeting on 2021-05-20 **URL:** \ **Category:** Algorithmic Transparency\ **Created:** [4 June 2021 14:34 UTC](https://discuss.opengovernment.org.uk/t/minutes-from-meeting-on-2021-05-20/1945 "2021-06-04T14:34:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![peterkwells](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e0b2c6/32.png) [@peterkwells](https://discuss.opengovernment.org.uk/u/peterkwells)\ **Post date:** [4 June 2021 14:34 UTC](https://discuss.opengovernment.org.uk/t/minutes-from-meeting-on-2021-05-20/1945/1 "2021-06-04T14:34:57Z")
## Below as text\* ## As part of the co-creation process of the UK’s fifth National Action Plan for Open Government (NAP5), thematic areas agreed to during the Multistakeholder Forum in March 2021 have been turned into biweekly Working Groups. These Working Groups bring together government policy leads and civil society, and are charged with developing commitments for inclusion in NAP5. The first NAP5 Algorithmic Transparency Working Group was held on May 20, 2021 at 10:00 BST. The meeting was co-chaired by civil society and government. Suggested areas produced for further discussion are as follows: ● Assessment of legal need for transparency in algorithms ● How do we document the ethical choices undertaken - how a new change of government might change this? ● Transparency of evidence behind government decisions ● What do smart metrics look like? ● Devolved administration involvement ● Overlap with Open Contracting group - providers of AI solutions and providers of data ● DSA/what would a transferable standard look like? ● Public understanding of algorithms Next steps: ● The second meeting of the NAP 5 Algorithmic Transparency Working Group will be held on Thursday, June 3rd 2021 at 10:00 BST ● The second meeting is open to all government policy areas or civil society groups with an interest in the Algorithmic Transparency space ● Attendees of the second meeting are asked to come prepared to discuss the above listed suggestions in greater detail For additional details or to get involved, please contact: ● Sam Roberts - Head of Open Government: [sam.roberts@digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk](mailto:sam.roberts@digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk) ● Kevin Keith - Chair, Open Government Network: [kevjkeith@gmail.com](mailto:kevjkeith@gmail.com) - as text as “new users can’t upload files”: ---
**Author:** ![Ruchirshah](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discuss.opengovernment.org.uk/ruchirshah/32/406_2.png) [@Ruchirshah](https://discuss.opengovernment.org.uk/u/Ruchirshah)\ **Post date:** [5 June 2021 08:10 UTC](https://discuss.opengovernment.org.uk/t/minutes-from-meeting-on-2021-05-20/1945/2 "2021-06-05T08:10:48Z")
@DoreenGrove what’s the Scottish action plan conversation on algorithms, AI and transparency been, and are their synergies here? ---
**Author:** ![DoreenGrove](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@DoreenGrove](https://discuss.opengovernment.org.uk/u/DoreenGrove)\ **Post date:** [5 June 2021 13:15 UTC](https://discuss.opengovernment.org.uk/t/minutes-from-meeting-on-2021-05-20/1945/3 "2021-06-05T13:15:50Z")
Very active- happy to chat you through it. It has ethics and transparency at its core ---
**Author:** ![Ruchirshah](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discuss.opengovernment.org.uk/ruchirshah/32/406_2.png) [@Ruchirshah](https://discuss.opengovernment.org.uk/u/Ruchirshah)\ **Post date:** [7 June 2021 10:30 UTC](https://discuss.opengovernment.org.uk/t/minutes-from-meeting-on-2021-05-20/1945/4 "2021-06-07T10:30:47Z")
Hi @DoreenGrove, anything you could post here from Scotland experience. It’s more for the group. ---
**Author:** ![DoreenG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecd19e/32.png) [@DoreenG](https://discuss.opengovernment.org.uk/u/DoreenG)\ **Post date:** [7 June 2021 12:38 UTC](https://discuss.opengovernment.org.uk/t/minutes-from-meeting-on-2021-05-20/1945/5 "2021-06-07T12:38:38Z")
[Scotland’s AI Strategy - Scotland’s AI Strategy (scotlandaistrategy.com)](https://www.scotlandaistrategy.com/) start with the Strategy - but Scottish colleagues are also getting involved in OGPs roundtables on the ethical use of AI ---
**Author:** ![Ruchirshah](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discuss.opengovernment.org.uk/ruchirshah/32/406_2.png) [@Ruchirshah](https://discuss.opengovernment.org.uk/u/Ruchirshah)\ **Post date:** [7 June 2021 18:35 UTC](https://discuss.opengovernment.org.uk/t/minutes-from-meeting-on-2021-05-20/1945/6 "2021-06-07T18:35:16Z")
This is really excellent Doreen. I shared this report with the participants of the previous algorithmic transparency working group for the action plan. No need to reinvent the wheel!